to concede that his country has been bugging mr. merkel, no denial from australia they were intercepting the phone calls of the president of indonesia and his wife. and that led senator feinstein to say she had to review all of the actions of the intelligence committee. because, again, this was going on without knowledge. and then you'll remember, either the united states came out and said, okay, we will stop bugging these gatherings of the imf or the world bank, all of the things that had been bugging the european parliament, we don't know. but there was some specific organizations all of that devoted not to espionage, but to bridge building and peacemaking. set up after the second world war, the united st the hnited s out and said, we won't be bugging them anymore, which, to me, is an implicit to the mission that they were. >> do you think the reaction got them into the list to do with security and more to do with the fact that we would traditionally be secretive? >> the committee we had been talking about earlier had just publish